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                Official Transcript of Proceedings

                  NUCLEAR REGULATORY COMMISSION



Title:                    Advisory Committee on Reactor Safeguards
                               Thermal Hydraulic Phenomena Subcommittee



Docket Number:  (not applicable)



Location:                 Corvallis, Oregon



Date:                     Wednesday, July 18, 2001







Work Order No.: NRC-325                             Pages 323-556





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                 ADVISORY COMMITTEE ON REACTOR SAFEGUARDS
             THERMAL HYDRAULIC PHENOMENA SUBCOMMITTEE MEETING
                    NRC-RES T/H RESEARCH PERTAINING TO
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                 The ACRS Thermal Hydraulic Phenomena
           Subcommittee met at Oregon State University,
           Richardson Hall, Room 313, Corvallis, Oregon, at 8:15 
           a.m., Dr. Graham B. Wallis, chairman presiding.
           COMMITTEE MEMBERS PRESENT:
                 GRAHAM B. WALLIS, Chairman
                 THOMAS S. KRESS, Member
                 WILLIAM J. SHACK, Member
           
           
           
           ACRS STAFF PRESENT:
                 PAUL A. BOEHNERT, ACRS Engineer
                 JACK ROSENTHAL, U.S. NRC, RES, SMSAB
                 DAVID BESSETTE, RES/SMSAB
                 STEPHEN BAJOREK, RES/SMSAB
                 VIRGIL SCHROCK, ACRS Consultant
                 ROY WOODS, NRC RES/DRAA/PRN3
                 NILESH C. CHOKSHI, NRC/RES/DET/MEB
                 JAMES T. HAN, RES/DSARE/SMSAB
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
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                       Agenda Item                         Page
           Loop Stagnation and Fluid Mixing in the
                 Reactor Vessel Downcomer Mechanics
                 for Primary Loop Stagnation. . . . . . . . 326
           Cold Leg Thermal Stratification and
                 Plume Formation in APEX-CE . . . . . . . . 366
           Downcomer Thermal Stratification in APEX-CE. . . 426
           REMIX Calculations of APEX-CE Tests. . . . . .   436
           3-D CFD Model of the APEX-CE Test Facility . . . 490
           Summary and Reporting Schedule . . . . . . . . . 540
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
           
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                                                    (8:15 a.m.)
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  This is the meeting of
           the Thermal Hydraulic Subcommittee of the ACRS.  We're
           looking forward to hearing from Professor Jose Reyes
           and his folks.
                       MR. REYES:  Thank you.
              LOOP STAGNATION AND FLUID MIXING IN THE REACTOR
                             VESSEL DOWNCOMER
                   MECHANICS FOR PRIMARY LOOP STAGNATION
                       MR. REYES:  Yesterday we started by
           discussing a little bit about the overall program and
           we got into some of the integral test data.
                       Today we're going to focus more on the
           separate effects or the local behavior in the
           downcomer. So the presentations you'll see today all
           deal with plume mixing and our predictions of plume
           mixing or plume behavior in the downcomer.
                       And we'll also talk a little bit about the
           -- this is kind of the bridge presentation here -- the
           primary loop stagnation.
                       What we found was that some of the
           behavior in the cold leg, as affected by HPI
           injection, affects overall loop properties, in
           particular, loop stagnation.
                       So we've identified the different
           mechanisms for loop stagnation.  So I will talk about
           -- one of our tests is an inventory-reduction test. 
           And this is like being able to take snapshots of a
           small break LOCA in progress.  And it's similar to
           some of the tests that performed the Semiscale.  And
           I actually compared some Semiscale data to our
           facility just to give you a feel for where we lie in
           comparison for that.
                       But that gives an idea of as we void the
           plant and the steam generator tubes drain, at what
           inventory would stagnation occur.  And it coincides
           with reflux condensation.  So we'll look a little bit
           more at tube voiding then.
                       Also in terms of one of our tests and what
           we saw there, how tube draining would result in loop
           stagnation for us.
                       And then steam generator reverse heat
           transfer and then loop seal cooling.  And I'll talk a
           little bit about some of the downcomer behavior we
           observed and how that affected the integral system.
                       The reason there's been so much focus on
           stagnation in the past is that it was identified that
           under stagnant loop conditions with HPSI injection,
           that that would most likely be the most severe case
           for producing cold plumes in a downcomer.
                       And I think today what you'll see is that
           we've come to a slightly different opinion for this
           particular plant, and we'll show you why.
                       So first the stepped inventory reduction
           test.  This test was performed basically by holding
           the power constant.  We had a constant steam generator
           pressure, and we opened up a small break on the
           reactor pressure vessel and we would drain some of the
           inventory.  We would stop the drain, and then we would
           let the system go through natural circulation.  And
           we've measured the flow rates in each of the cold
           legs.  And we --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Do you have a break in
           the vessel?
                       MR. REYES:  Remarkable.  It's just a small
           little drain valve.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  It doesn't sound like
           one of those standard accidents, does it?
                       MR. REYES:  No.  It's not a -- this is not
           a standard accident.  This is a drain valve that we
           use for setting up the plant.
                       So we would continue in step-wise fashion,
           drain the plant.  We stopped the drain.  We let it
           reach steady-state natural circulation conditions.  We
           go single phase and then we transition to two-phase
           natural circulation.  And then eventually we pass a
           maximum and then to zero conditions.
                       And the same tests were performed in
           Semiscale back in the 19- -- late '70s, early '80s
           maybe -- a while ago.
                       MR. SCHROCK:  So it's a series of
           steady-state tests that reduced inventory; is that
           basically it?
                       MR. REYES:  That's correct.
                       So we start -- in this corner here, we're
           starting with a system completely filled or including
           a pressurizer, and we let it go to natural circulation
           conditions.  And so these are the flow rates, the
           cold-leg flow rates that you'd see.
                       This is the sum of all the cold-leg flow
           rates is the core flow rate.  And you see for this
           region here it's fairly flat.  And what we're seeing
           is just single-phase natural circulation.
                       We transition then.  As we drain our
           inventory on the bottom, on our x axis here, this is
           a percent of overall reactor coolant, the primary-loop
           inventory.
                       As we drain, we reach a knee here, an
           inflection point, and now we're starting to go
           two-phase.  And we see an increase in our core flow
           rates.  And this is measured by the flow in the cold
           legs.
                       And so what we found in this test is that
           loop seals play a nice role of separating -- of
           keeping the cold legs single-phase.
                       As we continued reducing our inventory, we
           reach a maximum.  And presumably the maximum coincides
           with the point where you've essentially got two-phase
           going up the tubes and essentially all-condensed
           liquid coming down, or something very close to that. 
           So that would give you your maximum flow through the
           core.
                       As we continue draining, then we start
           seeing a decrease in the flow.  These dark triangles
           are steady-state points and the diamonds are actually
           the transient data.
                       And we come down further and further as we
           reduce -- somewhere around 60 percent of our overall
           primary mass we reach a point where essentially we're
           in reflux condensation.
                       And the measured flows then in the cold
           leg are essentially zero.  So injection during this
           point would produce conditions similar to what's been
           tested in the past:  Cold injection with stagnant
           conditions in the primary loop.
                       So our system was about 60 percent of the
           overall inventory.  We want to compare that to what
           was done in the past with Semiscale.  You can see that
           the trends are very, very similar.  We're just a
           little bit offset to them.  This has been normalized
           to the same maximum there.
                       We -- somewhere they both around 65 to 70
           percent -- my battery's charged -- somewhere around 60
           to 65 percent of the mass -- of the total inventory --
           now this excludes the pressurizer liquid mass.  That's
           why the number's different here.
                       Semiscale performed the test with the --
           starting with their pressurizer essentially empty.  So
           they -- all their numbers were based on the percentage
           of primary mass without the pressurizer inventory.  So
           that's what's been done here.  So we have very similar
           results for this design.
                       Okay.  Well, that gives us an idea that if
           our inventory during a small break LOCA drops to
           about, in this case, 65 to 70 percent of the plant
           inventory, of our initial inventory, we would expect
           it to be in stagnant conditions.
                       MR. SCHROCK:  There's an implicit
           assumption that the inventory distribution is the same
           in a steady-state reduced inventory situation as in a
           transient.  What transient, I guess, is the question
           that comes to mind.
                       MR. REYES:  That's right.
                       MR. SCHROCK:  You have on the previous
           graph a lot of data points designated as transient
           data.  What is the transient, just --
                       MR. REYES:  Good.  The --
                       Would you turn to the previous slide for
           me, please?  One more.
                       MR. SCHROCK:  The one before that.
                       MR. REYES:  Yeah, that's it.  Thanks.
                       So what we're designating here is -- what
           we were doing with these steady-state points, we were
           holding at one position and just repeating the
           measurement and coming up with an average condition. 
           And that's how the tests were performed at Semiscale.
                       When we looked at our actual measurements
           throughout the test, as we were -- as we were
           draining, we saw that our drain was slow enough to
           where we actually could use the -- and I'm calling
           this the transient data, because it includes the time
           periods when we were actually draining the facility,
           so the triangles represent the step changes.
                       We found that the transient data in
           between the step changes, because the drain was slow
           enough, seemed to match the steady-state data rather
           well.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  So this isn't some kind
           of a standard transient.  This is a transient that you
           -- you -- you did --
                       MR. REYES:  That's --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  -- and you did it slow
           enough so that it was quasi-steady state?
                       MR. REYES:  That's right.  So this is --
           that's exactly right.  So this is --
                       MR. SCHROCK:  A small break line on the
           vessel.
                       MR. REYES:  Correct.  So we're draining
           from a low region in the plant.
                       And the idea was just to see what kind of
           inventory behavior.  So you're absolutely right. 
           Depending on the break location, we would see
           different -- different behavior, different voiding of
           the steam generator tubes.  The void distribution is
           important.
                       This is just a snapshot of a very
           particular controlled test or controlled small break
           LOCAs.
                       MR. SCHROCK:  So your transient in this
           case is -- appears to be always quasi-steady?
                       MR. REYES:  That's right.  That's right.
                       And originally we were just going to use
           the steady-state data itself to compare with Semiscale
           because that's how they performed their test.  But as
           we looked at the overall data we realized that --
           actually the test was performed slow enough to where
           we could use the transient data.
                       Okay.  So that gave us -- at least that
           gave us some idea of how the loop seals were
           performing, and they were preventing bubbles from
           getting into the cold leg, and at what conditions we
           might expect to see some stagnation occurring.
                       So loop-stagnation phenomena.  When we
           talk about loop-stagnation phenomena what we're saying
           is that the flow in the cold -- the flow through the
           loop seals and up through the cold leg is essentially
           zero.  The flow rates are essentially zero.
                       You can have HPSI injection, which
           produces some flow.  And that will produce a cold
           layer on the bottom of the pipe.  And that concern, of
           course, is that the cold layer spills into the
           downcomer and it produces some plumes.  And so you
           might see it like this.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Now again in some of the
           reactors the HPSI velocity is so great that the
           momentum will carry it to the right.
                       MR. REYES:  Correct.  Yeah.  So for
           example for the side-injection B&W plant they have a
           very high injection flow rate.  It's a small injection
           nozzle.  And you'll actually jet across the pipe and
           impinge the other side.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  And it swells up on the
           wall.
                       MR. REYES:  That's right.  So you get a
           tremendous mixing.
                       This plant, for the Palisades plant, what
           we found was that it was the opposite.  They have a
           very large pipe at fairly low injection flow rates. 
           So on a scale -- for their plant the maximum flow rate
           was about 300 gallons per minute per cold leg of HPI
           flow.  So total injection flow was about 1200 gallons
           per minute at the maximum.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  So it makes a big
           difference whether the stagnation is really zero flow,
           or a little bit one way, or a little bit the other
           way.  I think that would make quite a difference since
           your HPI flow is so low.
                       MR. REYES:  That's right.  Yeah, our HPI
           flow is quite low.  Yeah.
                       And there's a few things that we've
           noticed that, again, we start to couple the separate
           effects with the integral.  And I'll show you what
           happens with that.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  I presume with this
           Froude number criterion about whether any of it flows
           back, and things like that.
                       MR. REYES:  Right.  Right.  So the
           criteria --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  There must be some
           condition where all the HPI goes into the vessel. 
           There must be enough.  When there's enough flow rate
           in the cold leg, then all the HPI flow will go to the
           vessel itself.  You've shown it sort of half and half,
           or something like that.
                       MR. REYES:  Right.  This shows spilling
           over this weird -- this little reactor coolant pipe
           lip.  And for certain conditions below a certain flow
           rate all the flow will go towards the downcomer.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Does it then fill up the
           loop seal and --
                       MR. REYES:  About -- for higher flow
           rates, you spill over and then you --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  But then it eventually
           fills up the loop seal with cold fluid, and then it
           all comes back again, doesn't it?
                       MR. REYES:  That's where -- that's where
           I was surprised.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Hmm?
                       MR. REYES:  This is where the data
           produced a surprise for us, so I'll show you.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Okay.  So we haven't
           seen the -- this is just --
                       MR. REYES:  Yeah, you haven't --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  -- act 1, scene 1 so
           far.
                       MR. REYES:  That's right.  The plot
           thickens.
                       MR. SCHROCK:  It looks like the plume
           narrowed, though.
                       MR. REYES:  The plume narrowed, but the
           plot thickened.
                       These are the integral system tests that
           we performed.  And we wanted to understand a little
           bit about the stagnation.  One stagnation would occur
           for these different types of integral system tests.
                       And so we had the -- numbers 7, 8, and 9,
           these were essentially small break LOCAs -- well, they
           are small break LOCAs.  For 10 -- 11 and 12 are main
           steam line breaks.  And then number 10, which sits
           right in the middle there, that was a combination,
           stuck-open ADV, which would be like a main steam line
           break, in combination with the stuck-open pressurizer
           safety release valve.  So it's a primary side break. 
           So it's a combination case.  We wanted to see what
           would happen with regard to stagnation.
                       What we observed in those tests is that
           for the very small break LOCA, cold legs 1, 2, and 3
           stagnated.  And it stagnated because of the presence
           of this cold loop plug in the loop seals, so it's kind
           of interesting.
                       For Test Number 8 we saw a combination of
           things happening as a larger break/small break.  In
           the previous test there was no tube voiding.  In this
           test there was tube draining.
                       So in the small break, the very small
           break, what we found was that the HPI could keep up
           with the break flow.  As a result we saw the tubes in
           the steam generator remaining full.
                       In the two-inch break we saw draining, so
           we saw a combination of effects there.  Cold leg 1 and
           2 stagnated because of steam generator tube voiding.
                       And cold leg 3 and 4 stagnated a little
           bit before each of the respective partners because of
           this cold liquid plug forming in the loop seals.
                       For the main steam line breaks down below,
           11 and 12, we saw 2 and 4 stagnating due to a loss of
           steam generator heat sink, reverse heat transfer from
           the steam generator.  But we also saw some interesting
           behavior here with regard to the downcomer.
                       The same thing with number 12 where we had
           the break on the other side of the plant.  Cold legs
           1 and 3 stagnated due to the loss of the heat sink.
                       The combination, stuck-open ADV and
           pressurizer safety relief valve, we saw 2 and 4
           stagnate due to the -- because of reverse heat
           transfer in steam generator 2.
                       So we observed different mechanisms for
           stagnation for these different tests, which was very
           nice because that allows us to characterize the
           downcomer under different situations and plume
           formation.
                       MR. ROSENTHAL:  I'm sorry.
                       MR. REYES:  Sure.
                       MR. ROSENTHAL:  If you would just go back
           one slide.
                       MR. REYES:  Yes.
                       MR. ROSENTHAL:  In all these cases the
           steam generators are full?
                       MR. REYES:  No.
                       MR. ROSENTHAL:  Except for 10?
                       MR. REYES:  In all -- so Test Number 8,
           which was a two-inch break, in that case we did see --
                       MR. ROSENTHAL:  I'm sorry.
                       MR. REYES:  -- the steam generator tubes
           drain.  In the other test --
                       MR. ROSENTHAL:  I meant the secondary side
           of the steam generators.
                       MR. REYES:  I'm sorry?  The primary --
                       MR. ROSENTHAL:  The secondary side.
                       MR. REYES:  Oh, for the main steam line
           breaks the secondary sides, of course, drain for the
           -- for the broken steam generator.  We let them drain
           all the way out.
                       Now we --
                       MR. ROSENTHAL:  Well, I mean the feed
           water would keep up with the stuck-up in ADV, so these
           are just postulated scenarios.
                       MR. REYES:  Correct.  Correct.  That's
           right.  That's a very important point.
                       So some of the assumptions for the main
           steam line breaks we assumed that the operator
           continued to feed the broken steam generator for 10
           minutes.  And then we would adjust -- at which point
           they would diagnose the situation and close the --
           close the feed water to the broken steam generator. 
           And then they would work with the intact steam
           generator to restore the heat transfer to the system.
                       For most of the cases, because we had such
           a -- with such a -- in the main steam line break, for
           most of those cases because we had such a rapid
           cooldown, the feed-water flow and the steam flow on
           the intact steam generator was essentially isolated,
           because we just produced a very cold temperature in
           the core.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Yeah.  One steam
           generator is quite enough to cool it down.
                       MR. REYES:  That's -- that's right.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  It's no problem at all.
                       MR. REYES:  Absolutely.
                       Okay.  So I wanted to just illustrate a
           little bit of what we saw.  I picked the two-inch
           break because that had the draining of the steam
           generator tubes, so I wanted to show that one.
                       It also had the -- the case of the loop
           seal cooling, which resulted in stagnation.  So I
           picked this one.  It's a little bit more complicated
           to demonstrate, but I think it's reasonably clear,
           but...
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  What you mean -- you
           don't mean heat transfer from the loops.  You mean the
           cold fluid going into the loops?
                       MR. REYES:  That's right.  That's right up
           where I mean.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Because I was really
           puzzled when you had this had a loop seal coolant.  It
           means that it's got cold water in it.
                       MR. REYES:  Right.  It's -- right.  It's
           cold water mixing in the loop seal.  Thanks.
                       So this is the behavior inside the steam
           generator tubes for the two-inch break case.  And what
           we see is that this is -- we have a set of level
           measurements, they're just DP cells in -- attached to
           the long tubes, another set attached to the shorter
           tubes.  So we have the maximum and the minimum
           basically for those and, as far as we can observe, the
           draining in both of those, in both cases.
                       What we do see, and this is an area of
           interest to us with regards to RELAP, is that the
           tubes, first of all, they drain at different rates, at
           different times.  And that's what you'd expect.
                       What it does -- what it does mean, though,
           is that if you're modeling in RELAP with a single
           tube, the question comes up, well, which tube are you
           modeling.  Is it some average tube, or how does that
           work.
                       So that's kind of interest to us because
           as long as these short tubes are filled, you still see
           flow in your primary loop.  So there's a range here
           from about 1500 seconds all the way out to, oh, maybe
           about 3,000 seconds that you still see some flow --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Excuse me.  Long tubes,
           short tubes?  There's some long tubes out here and
           some short tubes in here, or something.
                       MR. REYES:  That's correct.  Yes.  Long
           tubes go all the way to the top of the steam generator
           tube bundle and short tubes are the inner circle, the
           inner tubes.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  And you're scaling the
           way a typical steam generator is in terms of the ratio
           of the lengths, are you, or is it exaggerated in your
           facility?
                       MR. REYES:  So our facility, it's about --
           the length ratio is constant.  It's about 1 to 3.5. 
           So all of our lengths about 1 to 3.5 in the steam
           generator.
                       So we're actually a little long compared
           to -- compared to Palisades -- compared to our normal
           one-fourth scale.
                       So that's what we see there.  We see this
           draining really begins somewhere around 1500 seconds
           or a little bit earlier on the long tubes.  But we
           still see flow in the primary loop.  And then we
           continue to see flow until the shorter tubes start to
           drain.
                       MR. BESSETTE:  You see the same sort of
           thing in ROSA at full height.  Roughly, basically the
           same.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  It means that in RELAP
           they might be useful to bundle the tubes.
                       MR. BESSETTE:  In RELAP typically the
           generators model a single tube.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Yeah, but that's --
                       MR. BESSETTE:  We have done sensi- --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  We miss that effect
           altogether.
                       MR. REYES:  Yeah.  We have done
           sensitivity studies where we model three tubes, or
           whatever.
                       MR. BAJOREK:  It depends on the sequence.
                       MR. REYES:  So here's a look at the
           cold-leg flow rates.  And looking at cold leg number
           2 and cold leg number 4 as a function of time for this
           test.
                       And here I've identified when steam
           generator tubes and the long tubes begin to drain, at
           the very onset of draining the tubes.  And then -- so
           these are the two different flow rates.  The one on
           the bottom here, which comes along and -- they match
           pretty well for this initial portion of the transient. 
           And then we see they kind of split off here.  The cold
           leg number 4, that goes to zero.
                       Cold leg number 2 experiences a small
           increase and then continues to decrease down.
                       What's happening --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Where exactly are you
           measuring this flow rate?
                       MR. REYES:  These are being measured in
           the cold legs.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Yeah, but where?
                       MR. REYES:  Oh, so these are just after
           the injection location.
                       Is that right, John?
                       MR. GROOME:  Yeah.  They're right after
           the high-pressure injection --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  You mean they're
           upstream?
                       MR. GROOME:  -- before the reactor vessel.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Oh, they're on the side
           of the vessel.
                       MR. REYES:  Right.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  So --
                       MR. GROOME:  They're on the downstream
           side of the loop seal.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Yeah, but which side of
           the injection point are they?
                       MR. REYES:  So they sit --
                       MR. BESSETTE:  The vessel side.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  They're between the
           injection and the vessel.
                       MR. REYES:  Right.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  So you could have zero
           flow in the cold leg, and then you would just pick up
           the injected flow --
                       MR. REYES:  We would pick up some injected
           flow.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  -- which would be about
           one gpm somewhere.
                       MR. REYES:  Right.  And then we have a
           separate flow meter measuring our injection flow rate
           also.  So we know at all times how to --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  When you say this goes
           to zero, if you actually had injection --
                       MR. REYES:  Injection flow.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  -- it could be zero in
           the cold -- in loop seal and then it would be the
           injection flow where you're measuring it.
                       MR. REYES:  That's right.  That's right. 
           Yeah, we haven't subtracted those out.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Is that why it bottoms
           out at one instead of zero?
                       MR. REYES:  At one, yeah.  That's right. 
           That's right.
                       So what we saw happening here, we were
           interested in how this flow was splitting.  We
           expected that as the tubes drained, the flow in the
           primary loop would just continue to drop.
                       Because we're draining 133 tubes, it just
           kind of goes in a fairly well-behaved manner towards
           zero.  But we saw the split here, and we were curious
           about how -- what was happening there.
                       And so what we observed was that this Weir
           wall, there was spillover over the weir wall, this
           reactor coolant pump lip.  And the cold water would
           create a plume basically and fall into the loop seal.
                       And now you're producing a very cold loop
           seal.  So the next figure here shows that, illustrates
           that.  So here both loop seals are warm, both for
           number 4 and number 2.
                       When we get to this -- that point, that
           transition point there, the 1500 seconds or so, and we
           see that -- for the cold leg 4 we see some of the
           plume spilling over into the loop seal and starting to
           cool that off.  And that corresponds exactly with the
           time that we see that split.
                       So the loop seal forms -- it's basically
           a cold-liquid plug which resists -- that gravity head
           there resists the fairly low flow of the loop.  And
           the flow is diverted then to the other cold leg.
                       Through the common lower plenum of the
           steam generator, the flow is diverted to cold leg
           number 2.  And so we see an increase in the flow rate
           there and a zero flow in cold leg 4.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Did you get any kind of
           loop seal blowout with these cold plugs being blown
           out at some stage?
                       MR. REYES:  We'll have to look at some of
           the other tests to see.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  That might not be too
           good for the reactor vessel, blew out a plug of cold
           water.
                       MR. REYES:  If it put out some cold water.
                       MR. BESSETTE:  You need larger breaks to
           get a loop seal clearing basically in this.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  You need a larger break
           for that to happen?
                       MR. BESSETTE:  Yeah, to create loop seals.
                       MR. ROSENTHAL:  I'm not sure that the
           vessel, given its mass, would even notice a slug.
                       MR. BESSETTE:  Plus you've got to put the
           break into the cold.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Well, it's a question of
           local cooling, isn't it, and --
                       MR. BESSETTE:  You've also got to put the
           break in the cold leg.  This was a hot leg break.
                       MR. REYES:  Yeah, the thought was if --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  It was just a thought,
           I mean.  While we're thinking about it, it's sort of
           like the boron-dilution problem where you've got a
           slug of something that comes in.
                       MR. SCHROCK:  In the previous diagram you
           have certain events highlighted, number 2, long tubes
           begin to drain.
                       MR. REYES:  Yeah.
                       MR. SCHROCK:  Is that something that you
           see from these traces, or that's just pointing out
           that this is observed from other evidence at those
           times?
                       MR. REYES:  This was what was observed
           from other evidence.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  What's the big hiccup at
           about 1100 seconds?
                       MR. REYES:  We know that the initial steam
           generator tube draining does result in an increase in
           flow, so we're draining those tubes and they're
           draining into the cold-leg side and to the hot-leg
           side.  And we expect to see some increase in flow
           rate.  I would suspect that's related to that.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Yeah.  But how do you --
                       MR. REYES:  And we don't see it in the
           other one, so --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  You need to blow-up the
           scale to see for how long it stayed at zero at around
           1100 seconds, if it did.  You know you can't see it in
           here.  Eleven hundred seconds is a big hiccup.
                       MR. REYES:  Oh, this -- this spike right
           here you see.  Yeah.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Yeah, it goes down to
           zero, is the point.
                       MR. REYES:  Right.  Now the -- these
           magnetic flow meters, they're very sensitive to
           voiding.  If you have a bubble through the line and it
           goes past the instrument terminals, you might see a
           spike like that.
                       However, I tend to think this might be a
           real -- we'll look at that a little bit closer.  This
           might be a real...
                       So what we see is the creation of this
           cold-liquid plug in the loop seals and the flow being
           preferentially diverted to the -- through the steam
           generator lower plenum to the other flowing leg with
           the warm loop seal.
                       Later today we're going to show you how
           this works.  We'll take -- when we go to the lab we're
           going to run this experiment for you.  Here we have
           the -- this Weir wall.
                       Imagine in the plant that this whole elbow
           here would be the pump and this would be the outlet of
           the pump.  And you can see that it acts effectively as
           a dam which keeps the cold water on the reactor vessel
           side.
                       Eventually you will spill over, and you
           will go into this loop seal, and you'll cool it off. 
           We'll show you that phenomena.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Now RELAP has great
           trouble trying to predict that, doesn't it?
                       MR. REYES:  Excuse me?
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Doesn't RELAP have great
           trouble trying to predict that, that sort of
           phenomenon?
                       MR. REYES:  I would say that there's no
           way.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  But you can still run
           RELAP.
                       MR. REYES:  That's right.  And I think
           what we saw in this test with the RELAP calculation is
           that it did predict reasonably well the steam
           generator tube voiding on some average basis.
                       And so it was in the ballpark.  But as far
           as the sequence of -- the timing and the exact
           sequence, probably would miss.  It can't --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  It just mixes --
                       MR. REYES:  -- it can't calculate this.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  It just mixes
           everything, doesn't it?
                       MR. REYES:  Yeah.
                       We're looking at that, though, to see what
           RELAP is predicting as a loop seal temperature during
           the trading and comparing it to what we saw.
                       So you'll see that test a little bit
           later.  Chris Linrud and Ian Davis are here to do that
           for us.
                       Okay.  So we saw steam generator tube
           voiding as a stagnation mechanism.  We saw this cold
           loop seal plug as another stagnation mechanism.
                       The third one that we observed was this
           reverse heat transfer.  And that's when the steam
           generator and the main steam line break, we blow that
           steam generator down on one side.  The other intact
           steam generator is bottled up and becomes a heat
           source eventually.
                       And so you see in this schematic here,
           this is for Test Number 12, a main steam line break at
           full power.  We have steam generator temperature and
           the hot-leg temperature.  We see initially the hot-leg
           temperature is greater than the steam generator
           temperature.
                       As we go through the blowdown, of course,
           we drop that hot-leg temperature well below the steam
           generator temperature.  And we see stagnation of cold
           legs 1 and 3 occurring within this band right here. 
           So it doesn't occur immediately.  There's a band that
           -- there's a delay time and then a band.  And we were
           curious about that.
                       Now later on what we see is the -- as the
           primary plant reheats and repressurizes, our
           temperature goes up above the steam generator
           temperature.  And we see a resumption in the cold leg
           1 and 3 flow.  So it works as expected.  And again we
           see that occurs relatively close to when we cross that
           -- when we made that transition.
                       We were -- and that's to be expected. 
           What we were curious about was this little delay here
           and what might be causing that.  Here's looking at
           the, again, cold-leg flow rates for 1 and 3.  And you
           can see that we start off with our pumps on, come way
           down.  We go to zero, essentially zero flow for the
           flow meter.
                       Come -- and we resume our -- this steam
           generator is a heat source.  And here the steam
           generator is a heat sink again.  And we come back to
           our flow intake.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  What does negative flow
           in the cold leg flow area mean?
                       MR. REYES:  Negative flow, I don't think
           we're seeing negative flow in this.  It's just the --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Isn't that what it says?
                       MR. REYES:  It certainly does, but I think
           we're just zeroed.  We're a little bit off in our
           zero.
                       This flow meter is -- I'll ask John Groome
           to tell me the range for that flow meter on the test.
                       Do you remember this one?
                       We've been struggling with memory lately,
           myself.
                       MR. GROOME:  Yeah, I'm sure my memory's
           not any longer than yours though, Jose, so I don't
           know if I'll be able to answer the question, but my
           name's John Groome.
                       And these flow meters are ranged positive
           to negative 100 gallons per minute.  And, you know,
           there's some interpretation that you have to do with
           all data.
                       And I'm of the same opinion as Jose,
           that's just a zero shift there on that second meter. 
           And that could be not just due to the meter.  It could
           be due to the actual estimate loop that carries the
           signal back to the data acquisition, so...
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  You really need a more
           sensitive flow meter because you're talking about low
           flows in the order of one gallon per minute.
                       MR. GROOME:  Yeah.  And, you know, these
           flow meters are actually quite phenomenal.  When we
           first worked with Westinghouse back in the early '90s
           we couldn't measure flow in our cold legs.  And so
           part of the problem was our temperature and pressure.
                       And so we actually worked with them to
           develop a new flow meter to -- that we put a flow
           meter in to test, at about $4,000 a test we'd break a
           flow meter.  And so these flow meters have been in for
           about going on three and a half years, and they've
           worked for three and a half years successfully.
                       And, you know, this is a meter that's
           capable of flow ranges up to about 700 to 800 gallons
           a minute.  So when you're down here looking at zero
           and you're nitpicking about a gallon-per-minute flow,
           I think you ought to be happy you have any data.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Well, how does a flow
           meter work when you have, say, a stratified
           countercurrent flow?  Does it --
                       MR. GROOME:  Well, it's a void average. 
           Unfortunately, it measures in gallons per minute.  But
           it's a void average flow, a volume-average flow.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  So it has -- does a --
           is it slices, or something, or --
                       MR. GROOME:  No.  It actually has just
           two, and I can show you some flow meters today if
           you'd like, but it just has two contact points in the
           middle.  So it assumes that the velocity profile
           through the -- through this bore of the flow meter is
           constant.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Well, that's very
           difficult if you've got a countercurrent flow, with
           cold water going one way and hot the other, --
                       MR. GROOME:  Sure.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  -- it must get very
           confused.
                       MR. GROOME:  Sure.  And that could be
           what's happening.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  So it might well give
           you a faulty reading.
                       MR. GROOME:  Right.  Right.
                       MR. REYES:  Sure.  Sure.  Yeah.
                       Thanks, John.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  So it just measures at
           one point essentially?
                       MR. GROOME:  Correct.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  And then assumes a
           velocity profile?
                       MR. GROOME:  Correct.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Oh.
                       MR. REYES:  So reduce the stagnation
           occurring and then resumption.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  So what it's measuring
           is the velocity at the point where it measures what it
           calls flow.  That's what it's really doing.
                       John, it's --
                       MR. GROOME:  Excuse me?
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  It's really just
           measuring the velocity at the point where it measures.
                       MR. GROOME:  Correct.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  And then from that it
           tries to predict the flow.
                       MR. GROOME:  Right.  In those -- in those
           areas --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  And if it has an S-shape
           velocity profile, it's going to go --
                       MR. GROOME:  It doesn't -- it doesn't know
           how to calculate that, right.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  But it still knows to
           calculate the local velocity.  That's what you --
                       MR. GROOME:  Right.  So it measures
           essentially a velocity and it knows the area.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  So you might actually
           try looking at that velocity and recasting it in terms
           of what's actually happening in the pipe and getting
           a better sen- --
                       MR. REYES:  And try to get the better,
           yeah.  Yeah.
                       MR. SCHROCK:  Is it in the proximity of
           the bend?  Most everything is.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Everything is,  yeah.
                       MR. REYES:  How many -- how many l over
           ds, John, from -- did we require for the --
                       MR. GROOME:  It's -- l over ds, yeah, it's
           right there on the bend.  It's maybe like 2 d. 
           Actually I have a slide if you'd want to go back and
           pull it up and we could actually look at a plan view
           of it.  But it's maybe like one and a half d from the
           bend.
                       But that's fortunate for magnetic flow
           meters to have the, you know, the least-required l
           over d for flow measurement, or typically anywhere
           from 1 to 5 d.
                       MR. REYES:  Okay.  So what we saw then was
           loop stagnation due to the steam generator, one of the
           steam generators becoming a heat source instead of
           heat sink.  But there was a delay, and we were curious
           about that.  So we investigated a little bit further.
                       And what we realized was that we're
           injecting cold water to downcomer.  And so we're
           cooling off the downcomer.  Of course, we have core
           heat.  And so we are creating a density difference in
           the driving head.  So the downcomer driving head,
           because the system is completely liquid filled, is
           still driving the flow.
                       And so what's happening is that the
           reverse-heat transfer from the steam generator is
           acting like a break.  It's resisting the positive
           flow, but it's not able to stop the flow.  And so
           that's why we see a continued natural circulation for
           that period of time.
                       Eventually we get to a large enough delta
           T on the steam generator where it is able to overcome
           the driving head produced by the downcomer injection. 
           So you do have a downcomer recirculation.
                       That was -- that plays an important part
           when you're working -- when you're looking at an
           integral system injection.  Because what that means is
           even when you have "stagnant conditions," as soon as
           you begin injecting, if you have any core heat, you
           will create some natural circulation flow.  And so you
           -- by virtue of injecting you're producing a natural
           circulation flow.  So it's kind of --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  As long as the injection
           goes the right way.
                       MR. REYES:  That's right, into the
           downcomer.  That's right.
                       Okay.  So we observed those phenomena.
                       Steam generator tube voiding.  That should
           be the loop -- the cold-liquid plug --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  If the steam generator
           wins over the downcomer, then presumably the flow goes
           the other way, if that's possible.
                       MR. REYES:  The resistance is pretty large
           in the other direction.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  I was thinking of the
           buoyancy.  You're saying the buoyancy in the steam
           generator counteracts the buoyancy in the downcomer.
                       MR. REYES:  Right.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Presumably there's a
           situation where the steam generator could win and the
           flow could go the other way.  Don't pull that cold
           stuff into the loop seal, --
                       MR. REYES:  Well, I think --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  -- ready to come back
           again.
                       MR. REYES:  I think what -- of course, the
           top of the plant will just get real hot and stay hot
           and the cold water will stay on the bottom, so...
                       Okay.  So we identified three modes of
           loop stagnation, which we were interested in
           understanding for integral tests.
                       One of them, the loop seal, the cold plug
           in the loop seal actually is tied to a local
           phenomenon, which I thought was one of the key
           findings as far as relating our separate effects test
           to the integral system test.
                       The other thing was the presence of this
           RCP Weir wall.  That really does delay the loop seal,
           the formation of a cold-liquid plug in the loop seal. 
           And hence it delays stagnation in the loops.
                       So if we didn't have that Weir wall we
           would have expected possibly to have stagnated a bit
           earlier, because we would have formed cold plugs in
           the loop seals.  So that's kind of an interesting
           result.  So having them actually delays stagnation.
                       MR. SCHROCK:  Isn't that Weir an attempt
           at simulating the real plant?
                       MR. REYES:  That's right, yeah.
                       MR. SCHROCK:  And so how do you judge the
           quality of that simulation?
                       MR. REYES:  Right.  Now at this point all
           we can do is use our, in this case, CFD Codes to see
           if we can, first of all, benchmark the CFD Code
           against our test.
                       And then have a little bit of confidence
           then that we can go forward and try to do a more
           accurate model of the real plant.
                       Now in talking to the folks at Palisades,
           they do indicate to us -- I mean they gave us the
           dimension of this lip.  And they have indicated to us
           that, in fact, when they are draining, trying to drain
           the cold legs they can't drain it completely because
           of this lip.  So we know it's an effect.
                       The other thing that it does cause -- that
           we do observe is that the presence of that Weir wall
           also, with side injection, we're going to see a lot of
           stratification.
                       The plume doesn't come in from the top of
           the pipe and then mix on the way down.  So typically
           the flow is going to be in the positive direction,
           because it's not mixing on the way down, and you've
           got this wall, this dam on the other side which, in
           essence, is driving all the flow towards the downcomer
           up to a certain point.
                       We said that reverse-heat transfer can
           either -- it can reduce or stop the primary loop
           natural circulation, depending on the available
           downcomer fluid driving head.
                       Okay.  So that's what we saw in the area
           of loop stagnation.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  What are your scaling
           laws now?  I would think that you have some scaling

           laws for your loop.
                       MR. REYES:  Correct.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  And then I would think
           that some sort of Froude numbers scale these, whether
           it goes over the Weir and the stratification.
                       MR. REYES:  That's right.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Is that consistent with
           your scaling of other things like velocities and
           dimensions?
                       MR. REYES:  Yes.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  It is?
                       MR. REYES:  Yes.  And so what we're doing
           now is -- we have run a preliminary series.  And we're
           going to run several just to be sure.  We're going to
           identify the conditions for the onset of the loop seal
           spillover, which is a very nice project for any
           volunteering students.
                       It's a very straightforward effort.  And
           we know basically what the dimension of those groups
           should be.  And I think we can do a good job on that
           one.  So we're gathering that data right now.
                       MR. BAJOREK:  Jose, your pump is down at
           the bottom --
                       MR. REYES:  Our pump is at the bottom of
           the --
                       MR. BAJOREK:  -- of the loop seal as
           opposed to up at the top.
                       MR. REYES:  Correct.
                       MR. BAJOREK:  Are there any additional
           restrictions in a regular PWR pump lower than the Weir
           that a positive steam flow through the loop would
           prevent some of that liquid coming back over the Weir
           and delaying the cooling?
                       MR. REYES:  Now we're talking steam flow?
                       MR. BAJOREK:  Yes.
                       MR. REYES:  There was a schematic that
           John had showed us yesterday, and it's a fairly short
           -- what it is it's kind of a relatively flat --
                       MR. BAJOREK:  Impeller.
                       MR. REYES:  -- impeller with -- in a
           volute.  Okay.  I was looking for the right word, a
           volute.  So if that comes -- your cold leg comes out
           at this angle, and then you've got this -- a short
           drop and then to the loop seal.
                       So I don't think there's anything other
           than the impeller itself that would hinder the steam
           from getting up there and going out.  Is that -- I'm
           not sure if I understand.
                       So you're going to have -- you're going to
           have -- the steam will come in, and if there's water
           on the bottom of the cold leg, it's basically just a
           stagnant pool almost, except for right at the surface.
                       Okay.  Now we'll talk a little bit about
           -- if there's no other questions on stagnation. 
           Again, the reason we looked at stagnation so heavily
           was because in previous studies the thought was, well,
           if the primary -- if the cold legs are stagnant, then
           injection under those conditions would essentially be
           the worst plume conditions.  Okay.  As we continued
           with our study we saw that we came to a different
           conclusion.
                    COLD LEG THERMAL STRATIFICATION AND
                        PLUME FORMATION IN APEX-CE
                       MR. REYES:  So I'll talk a little bit
           about cold leg thermal stratification first, and then
           we'll talk about the plume behavior in the downcomer.
                       Okay.  We did these flow visualization
           tests, which were really very helpful.  We started by
           just doing a series of tests in APEX at pressure and
           temperature.  And we were measuring our -- we had our
           thermocouple rake in there.
                       We were seeing constantly that we had cold
           temperatures at the bottom for most of the flow rates
           that we generated, the cold-leg flow rates.  And we
           were curious then what was going on.  So we built this
           very simple flow visualization test that allows us to
           take a look at the similar Froude number conditions,
           what might be going on in the pipe.  And we --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  This is green salty
           water; is that what it is?
                       MR. REYES:  That's green salty water.  So
           we're injecting -- we're using sodium fluorescein to
           actually give us that green color.  And if you hit it
           with ultraviolet light you get a very bright image
           with that.
                       So we've put sodium fluorescein in our
           salty water.  And we're using that to represent our
           cold injection.
                       The pipe is initially filled with fresh
           water.  And that whole tank actually is filled with
           fresh water initially.
                       So we begin our injection, and this is the
           type of behavior that we see.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Where is the injection
           here?
                       MR. REYES:  I lost my mouse.  Oh, here it
           is.  Thank you.  So --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  It's the pipe that we
           can't see, which is there?
                       MR. REYES:  Yeah, that's right.  It's a
           side injection.  And so from a top view the injection
           line would be behind the pipe.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  That's why we can't see
           it.
                       MR. REYES:  That's right.  That's right. 
           So...  Thank you.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  So is this fog flowing
           down the Columbia Gorge.
                       MR. REYES:  It's the fog coming down the
           Columbia and out towards the ocean here, I guess.
                       Here's the Weir wall.  So for this
           injection flow rate and for this combination of
           cold-leg flow rate, we're not getting it -- well,
           maybe we are spilling over a little bit here.  Here's
           a side view.  So we're not, okay.  So for this --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  It doesn't look like a
           very flat layer, does it?
                       MR. REYES:  Say again.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  It doesn't look like a
           very flat interface between the green and the blank.
                       MR. REYES:  It's not very flat.  For this
           flow rate it's not very flat.  That's right.  So what
           we're looking at then is a -- we're at about the 12-
           gallons per minute in the cold leg.  And we're
           injecting probably somewhere around a gallon per
           minute here through the -- so you see the side
           injection.
                       The plume comes in.  It travels both
           directions, and back towards the vessel and towards
           the loop seal.  But this acts as an effective wall to
           prevent the flow.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  I guess the drag from
           the other flow keeps the -- it's what causes it to
           flow in this arrangement.
                       MR. REYES:  So here's a closer look at it,
           and I'll show you the Weir wall.
                       But here we're injecting again.  This is
           -- you can see this --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Well, that shows how
           stratification inhibits the mixing.
                       MR. REYES:  Right.  Here's a close-up of
           the -- of that --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  You can't just use the
           normal CFD in a stratified flow like that.  K-epsilon
           doesn't work in their stratified interface.
                       MR. REYES:  That's one of the -- this is
           where -- this is -- Ian's nodding his head yeah.
                       Working with CFD Codes, and we'll talk
           about that a little bit later, but that's some of the
           challenges that we face with using these types of
           codes.  And so we're going to be looking for some
           advice from experts.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  The turbulence is really
           suppressed at the interface.
                       MR. REYES:  Yeah.  So this is at the Weir
           wall, and we see that basically the cold fluid from
           the cold leg -- I mean the cold-leg fluid is sweeping
           all that fluid back.
                       Okay, another look here.  We have a little
           bit of spillover in this case.  We've got the flow
           rate.  And then this is looking again at the spillover
           into the loop seal.  So we'll perform some of those
           visualizations for you when we go over there after
           lunch.
                       Okay.  So let's talk a little bit about
           what we saw with regards to the stratification in the
           cold legs, some of the measurements from APEX-CE.
                       So we did --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Now are you going to
           tell us about analysis of this in terms of some math
           and some predictions?
                       MR. REYES:  Yes.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Somebody -- somebody is.
                       MR. REYES:  When we talk about the plumes.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Somebody is.  Well, what
           about the cold-leg behavior and the stratification and
           all that?
                       MR. REYES:  We have some predictions to
           show you later on if you -- we can chart --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Any comparisons with
           data?
                       MR. REYES:  We have lots of data.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Do you have -- well,
           come on.
                       MR. REYES:  We'll give you some.  You'd
           like some theoretical...
                       Well, we have looked at the plumes in the
           downcomer, and I'll present some equations there.
                       In the stratified region, we're still
           looking at developing what's going on in that section.
                       We have a -- there was a -- I think I know
           what you're referring to.  Early on in the development
           of this project we were real curious about the onset
           of thermal stratification and came up with pretty good
           criteria that was used -- that you could use to
           predict when you have essentially well-mixed
           conditions in the cold leg.
                       Now the presence of this Weir wall has
           changed that somewhat.  So we're looking -- that's why
           we're changing the theory some, to examine that Weir
           wall more closely and understand how that's affecting
           the flow and what that really means in terms of a
           stratification criteria.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  It looks like a real
           candidate for the Kelvin-Helmholtz instability type of
           analysis.
                       MR. REYES:  That's right.  That's right. 
           So now you've got -- I mean that's exactly right.  So
           that's what we're looking at right now.
                       So what this tells me then is that the
           stratification criteria that we use that P. F. Foss
           had developed, and then the modified version which I
           had developed, which was based on the Froude number of
           the cold-leg stream squared plus the Froude number of
           the hot leg squared equal to one.
                       With the presence of that Weir wall we
           need to look at that and say, okay, now we've got a
           slightly different situation.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  What is 10 gpm in terms
           of Froude number, using the density difference.
                       MR. REYES:  Oh, 10, that -- with using
           that combination, I think it's like .04.  That's that
           modified Froude number.  That --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  You're using the density
           difference between the fluids?
                       MR. REYES:  Density difference between the
           fluids.  And using --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  That's the only Froude
           number.  It's not modified.  That is the Froude
           number.
                       MR. REYES:  Well, this -- they're modified
           in terms of -- it uses the HPI injection.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Density.
                       MR. REYES:  Density --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Minus --
                       MR. REYES:  -- with the cold leg --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Minus the density of the
           --
                       MR. REYES:  Oh, okay, I'm sorry.  The
           Froude for the cold leg.  Yeah, I'll have to look that
           one up.  I was giving you the injection, injection
           Froude.  Yeah, I can look that up for you.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  You can tell us after
           the break.
                       MR. REYES:  You bet.  We've got lots of
           calculators.
                       So what we found, though, is that the
           presence of the Weir wall results in some
           stratification for the full range of conditions that
           we studied.
                       So this test 003, what we were doing was
           we were putting -- we were parametrically varying the
           cold-leg flow rate and the injection flow rate for 16
           different cases.  We wanted to see what we would
           observe as far as stratification in the cold leg.
                       So what we saw was that at the presence of
           the Weir wall there was always some stratification for
           the flow conditions that we looked at.  And we were
           looking at essentially from one and a half percent to
           K to four percent to K powers over a range of about
           30- to 100-percent HPSI injection flow rates.
                       The spillover was not observed in any of
           these tests, which meant that our -- above 30-percent
           HPSI for us, what we saw was that we had enough flow. 
           It was greater than 10 gallons per minute in the --
           excuse me -- for one-and-a-half percent to K power,
           our flow in the cold legs was greater than 10 gallons
           per minute.
                       So we always kept flowing in the direction
           of the reactor vessel.  And there was no spillover for
           any of these tests.  So this is the range of
           conditions we cited.
                       We would vary the K power.  That would
           change our natural circulation of flow rate in the
           loop.  And in between each test we would turn our
           pumps for a while and get everything back to uniform
           temperature and then do another parametric study.
                       So here's that --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  What's the basis of
           these HPSI flow rates?  What's the basis for choosing
           these values?
                       MR. REYES:  Oh, that's -- that basically
           was the limits of what we could do.  Yeah.  So 30
           percent, when you drop below 30 percent on our
           injection, we have difficulty controlling our -- well,
           for -- for the cases that we looked at, I guess we can
           get down to --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Presumably it's a scaled
           HPSI from reactor conditions.
                       MR. REYES:  Right.  Right.  So point --
           the lowest we did was .35 gallons per minute, which
           corresponds to about 30 percent of one injection flow. 
           So that was what --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  So this is a throttled
           HPSI of --
                       MR. REYES:  Right.
                       This shows the range of tests that we did. 
           And in between each test, again, we operated our
           reactor coolant pumps.
                       Once we put in several hundred gallons per
           minute through the loops.  Of course, everything warms
           up pretty uniformly.  All our thermocouples matched
           up.
                       This is looking at the top of the cold leg
           number 3 and this is the bottom of cold leg number 3,
           so we're going -- we're looking at the temperature
           stratification in the cold legs.
                       And this shows that for the different
           conditions we saw we always saw some stratification. 
           Even at our minimum being .35 gallons per minute, we
           saw some stratification in cold leg number 3.
                       Again, this being the bottom of the cold
           leg here and all the way up at the top would be the
           top, so they actually went in order.  So we saw that
           stratification for our tests.
                       Here we are at -- for cold leg number 4,
           the same test, we were running -- we ran two different
           injection flow rates for that --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  What is your temperature
           of your HPSI?
                       MR. REYES:  HPSI temperature is about 65
           degrees Fahrenheit.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  So this is a lot hotter
           than the HPSI itself.
                       MR. REYES:  Oh, much, much hotter, right. 
           Yeah.  So what we're seeing is by the time we get to
           this -- the typical rates, we are seeing some -- quite
           a bit of mixing.
                       And the total -- well, I mean this is 150
           degree delta T from the bottom of the pipe to the top
           of the pipe, so it's a pretty big stratification.
                       This case and this case, we also used to
           model with STAR-CD.  So these two cases we modeled
           with STAR-CD.  And later on you'll see the results of
           those comparisons.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  So maybe if you had
           bottom injection you might actually have those minima
           going down to something like the HPSI temperature. 
           Because presumably it's bottom injection; it doesn't
           mix with anything.
                       MR. REYES:  That's right.
                       Now I'm not sure if there are any plants
           that do bottom --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  I don't think there are,
           but just for comparison sake.
                       MR. REYES:  -- with the big --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  I mean you said with top
           injection there's more mixing and side injection you
           get more of this.
                       MR. REYES:  Right.  So the bottom might be
           --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Presumably there's one
           limit where you just ooze the cold water in and it
           flows along without mixing with anything.
                       MR. WACHS:  You get conducted heating from
           the metal in the cold leg.
                       MR. REYES:  Dan.
                       MR. WACHS:  I said you'll still get
           conducted heating from the metal in the cold leg, so
           there will still be some warming.  You won't -- you're
           unlikely to --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Yes.  Yes.
                       MR. WACHS:  -- get that small.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Yeah, I guess you need
           to estimate that, too.
                       MR. REYES:  Okay.  So the upshot of it for
           us for these series of tests was that for all the
           natural circulation cases that we examined, we always
           saw some stratification.
                       And this case here being the maximum
           stratification we observed, which was not the -- not
           the lowest flow rate, but it was -- it was essentially
           close to the highest flow rate, but not the -- not
           necessarily the lowest.  Well, like big yeah, the
           trend is getting bigger as we go to lower -- lower
           cold-leg flows.
                       Okay.  So we always see some
           stratification, which was different than what we've
           seen in the past.  If we kept the criteria, the
           stratification criteria the way it was, it would
           predict good mixing for some of these tests.
                       So we see that the Weir wall has no -- has
           an effect.  And we need to change that theoretical
           model.
                       Okay.  Now we'll talk a little bit what's
           going on in the downcomer as far as plumes.
                       I'll start off with kind of a typical
           analysis and what's been done in the past.  The
           classic analysis is you have a single planar plume
           falling into a stagnant, uniform ambient fluid.
                       Okay.  That would be the classic analysis. 
           And it's been done -- it's been done for a long time. 
           Bachelor did a study on it and Morton and Rouse and --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  You say, "planar."  You
           mean it's 2 d?
                       MR. REYES:  Correct.  Yeah, they're 2 d.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  They're also
           cylindrically symmetrical.  The simple ones are --
                       MR. REYES:  Right.  The --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  -- planar or --
                       MR. REYES:  Right, the axisymmetric --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  -- axisymmetric.
                       MR. REYES:  Right, axisymmetric case.  You
           just change the coordinates and unwrap it and get a
           planar.  Yeah, so the 2 d case.
                       And these involve some very classic
           assumptions, some very -- which work very well for the
           single planar plumes and also for the axisymmetric
           plumes.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Oh, review that for me. 
           If I have, say, a faucet, the plume actually
           accelerates instead of -- because the density
           difference is so enormous.
                       MR. REYES:  Right.  Yeah.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  And then if I have a
           very low-density difference, presumably the buoyancy
           is not so big and the plume spreads a lot.  What sort
           of range are you in in terms of the density
           difference, in terms of, you know, whether the plume
           spreads a lot or --
                       MR. REYES:  Right.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  -- doesn't because of
           the gravity accelerating it?
                       MR. REYES:  Right.  For these tests, our
           delta rho over rho was like .18.  So I'd have to go
           back and see what just a delta rho is.  But -- so it's
           comparable to what you would see in the plant, not --
           not as large, but it's within 10 percent.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  But it's something like
           the plume from a cigarette, or something, in terms of
           what you --
                       MR. REYES:  Oh, no.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  -- imagine in terms of
           things you know about?
                       MR. REYES:  Okay.  So smoke and air, maybe
           -- maybe like --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Smoke from a chimney,
           from -- on a clear day.  Something like that.
                       MR. REYES:  Yeah.  I'm thinking of my
           backyard.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Yes, something like
           that.
                       MR. REYES:  I'm looking at the stack way
           out there.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  But, you see, if you
           have a hot enough fire --
                       MR. REYES:  I'm looking at the stack way
           down there.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  -- your plume actually
           --
                       MR. REYES:  Yeah, it would be similar --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  -- can go up and
           concentrate.
                       MR. REYES:  Right.  So --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Before it spreads.
                       MR. REYES:  -- you'll see a lot of
           examples of the reverse.  You'll see a hot plume --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Right.
                       MR. REYES:  -- going up in air.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Depends on how hot it
           is.
                       MR. REYES:  So it -- from the shape of it,
           I'd say --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  So I'm trying to get a
           feel for which kind of a plume is it.  I think it's a
           spreading plume.
                       MR. REYES:  It's a spreading plume.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Yeah.  You have the
           fire, the density difference is two to one or
           something.  So it's...
                       MR. SCHROCK:  These theories pertain to,
           as you've said, a large field.  You've got the
           downcomer walls that are confining the plume.  Are you
           going to address that?
                       MR. REYES:  I'll cite the difficulties
           with those things, right.  Yeah.
                       We'll go on, and I'll show you some of the
           problems we're facing --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  There's a good --
           there's a good book on this by some German whose name
           I forget, who studied all kinds of plumes and all the
           --
                       MR. REYES:  I've got it in my bag.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Okay.
                       MR. REYES:  It's Rodi and Chatney.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Rodi, that's right. 
           Rodi.
                       MR. REYES:  They did a ton of work in --
           you're welcome to look at the book.  Yeah.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  It's pretty
           comprehensive.
                       MR. REYES:  It is.  It was a very nice --
           one of the few that covered a wide range of
           axisymmetric and -- but I'll show you another paper
           today, which is fairly new, which is closer to our
           situation.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  It's got too many ns.
                       MR. REYES:  So we're familiar with the
           classic assumptions for the planar plumes.  The idea
           that there's a linear spread of plume radius with
           axial position, because you have a constant
           entrainment rate.  And that assumption works
           reasonably well for the planar plumes in stagnant
           media.
                       You've used the similarity of velocity and
           buoyancy profiles.  And you can come up with some
           universal curves that way.  And in REMIX they kind of
           use that technique of producing these universal
           curves.  And then at different locations it says,
           okay, for this set of dimension groups you kind of
           convert it back into what you should be reading there,
           so that works well.
                       And, of course, they always -- you
           typically assume the Gaussian-shaped profile for this
           stagnant media.  I'll show you a couple of pictures.
                       Back in 1934, we've got some data which
           shows the same situation.  Here you have the velocity
           measurements inside the plume.  The scale's missing
           here.  That should be centimeters per second on the y
           axis.
                       The velocity measurements for the plumes
           at different axial locations.  And if you -- you can
           actually scale it with a mean velocity of plume and
           come up with a single shape, a single universal
           Gaussian curve.  So we know that that theory works
           very well.
                       So the thought was, well, we can apply to
           some of the similar concepts to our test --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Well, I'm trying to
           think, though.  When you pour -- pull this stuff over
           the lip of a pipe, --
                       MR. REYES:  Right.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  -- you don't have the
           sort of starting condition of a uniform velocity.  It
           has to sort of accelerate out of the pipe.  So it's
           accelerating for a little while before it does this
           mixing.
                       MR. REYES:  That's right.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Isn't it?
                       MR. REYES:  So -- yeah, I was --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  I don't quite know how
           you modeled the starting condition for coming out of
           the pipe and going over the lip and into the
           downcomer.  How do you start your plume for an
           analysis like this?
                       MR. REYES:  For an analysis like this what
           we think is actually happening is that the plume is
           jumping the gap.  Eventually it's --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  It hits the other wall.
                       MR. REYES:  -- it hits the core barrel
           wall.  Now you've got another, another problem.  So
           that's what we believe happened.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  This is like the
           experiments that we did with the injection of water
           into a steam down- -- filled downcomer.  It jumps to
           the wall and goes down the other side.
                       MR. REYES:  Which test was that?
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  When was that done?
                       MR. REYES:  Yeah.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  7-70, or something like
           that.  1970 maybe.
                       MR. REYES:  Yeah.  For our test number 13
           we're thinking of something similar, so I'll ask you
           a little bit more about that.
                       The -- so that's right.  There's some type
           of flow establishment region.  If you have a forced
           flow, you have a momentum dominated, then some kind of
           a transition.  And then you eventually gets to this
           buoyancy-dominated region for the plume.
                       So this region actually could be fairly
           short.  And where you'd like to be is kind of in this
           region as far as analysis.  So you've got this
           spreading plume.  But again that's for a stagnant
           medium.
                       If you have -- if you have any
           complications to it, you really have to -- I mean it
           complicates the analysis quite a bit.  If you're
           impinging onto a core barrel wall, well, how do you
           analyze that.
                       So we very quickly got -- as we started
           looking at the different complications, that's where
           we said, well, we need to use to some of the CFD and
           see if we could understand that a little bit better.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Now let's look at Mr.
           Foerthamnn's experiment.
                       MR. REYES:  Sure.  Can you go back?
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Now it seems as if the
           width of the plume is about four centimeters, or
           something, but the velocity in the middle hasn't died
           to half the initial one until it's gone 75
           centimeters.  So this is a plume that's very
           persistent.  It's gone an awful long way before its
           velocity in the middle has gone down by a half.
                       MR. REYES:  Right.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  So your plumes aren't
           anything like that.  Yours --
                       MR. REYES:  No.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  -- spread much more
           rapidly, don't they?
                       MR. REYES:  Correct.  Correct.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Why is that?  There's
           something different about some dimensionless number in
           your experiment than in this one?
                       MR. REYES:  Right.  Now for this
           experiment --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  There must be something.
                       MR. REYES:  I think -- yeah.  There -- I'm
           not exactly familiar with the delta rho over rho in
           this test or the density difference in this test and
           what was going on as far as the buoyancy.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  I think this is actually
           spreading less than the jet would in just -- the
           shrifting-type jet with no buoyancy at all.  This one
           is actually buoyant, so it's spreading less than a
           jet.  And --
                       MR. REYES:  Than the actual.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  -- that's why it's so
           surprising that your plumes spread so rapidly.
                       MR. REYES:  Well, there's other -- so
           there's other -- right.  So there has to be other
           mechanisms that are --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  You think about the
           plume from the stack from the incinerator next to your
           -- do you have an incinerator next to your building?
                       MR. REYES:  It's a -- well, I can see it
           from --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  That probably goes quite
           a long way on a clear day before it spreads much.
                       MR. REYES:  That's right.
                       So what we -- we started looking at our
           plumes and realized that there's something -- it's
           significantly more complicated, especially for the
           conditions that we were looking at, because we had
           multiple asymmetric plume interactions.  We actually
           had some cases where we had cold flow.
                       So now instead of a stagnant downcomer,
           what you actually have is hot-leg flow.  You're
           putting hot water -- the way this was stratified,
           you're -- basically the cold water is pouring --
           pouring out the bottom of the pipe.
                       You still had positive hot-water flow on
           the top of the cold leg going into the downcomer.  And
           you were forcing this flow through the downcomer co-
           current with the plume.  So now you've got a
           could-current situation.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  That could be worse.
                       MR. REYES:  Yeah.  So now I'm starting
           thinking relevant velocity between the plume and your
           medium.  If you have a stagnant case, your plume comes
           in and the relative velocity for that case is going to
           be larger than if the media traveling with the plume
           is at nearly the same velocity.  So now the relative
           velocity between the plume -- and that's a well
           documented -- that's this plume behavior in cold flow.
                       And so we searched the literature for
           that, and we found a paper that was fairly recent that
           tried to address that, by Wood.
                       So potentially with some cold flow you can
           actually have less -- you'll preserve the plume
           further under certain conditions, okay.
                       There are other compounding conditions, of
           course.  We -- and our tests, of course, as opposed to
           some of the studies done previously, we have a core
           with a core barrel.  And that's dumping heat into the
           downcomer.  So there are other things which are
           heating up this plume and causing it to dissipate a
           bit earlier.
                       So you have these -- all these different
           factors, some trying to preserve the plume and some
           trying to destroy the plume.  Okay.
                       So we very quickly came to realize that if
           we wanted to do a realistic or something realistic,
           that maybe we can bound the problem asymptotically and
           look at some of the ranges of the plume spreading.
                       But, in fact, the thought then came, we
           need to do some type of CFD work.  And that, of
           course, brought with it its own set of problems, how
           to understand CFD and who would volunteer to do the
           work.
                       And so we'll present that later on.  And
           we're wide open to suggestions on that.  But you'll
           see some of the comparisons, and you can be the judge
           of what the problems might be or what went right.
                       Okay.  So, in essence, there is a test
           facility in Finland, Imatran Voima Oy, which in the
           good old days they did these flow visualizations.  And
           I guess they had an artist watching the stuff, because
           this is an artist sketching.  He must have been very
           fast.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Well, Leonardo did it
           all 500 and some odd years ago.
                       MR. REYES:  That's right.  I think this
           may be a da Vinci.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  But Creare did something
           like this, too, didn't he?
                       MR. REYES:  Yeah.  So Creare had that --
           well, they only had the single.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  It was red or blue, that
           stuff that they used, but it was -- they had pictures
           like this, I think.
                       MR. REYES:  They did?  I don't think -- I
           think they had a single injection, a single --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Unwrapped?
                       MR. REYES:  -- cold leg.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  I thought they had an
           unwrapped --
                       MR. REYES:  Well, maybe they did have two.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Maybe -- well, go back
           and find out.
                       MR. REYES:  I don't know if they ever --
           I never saw they had for two.  Yeah, I saw two tests
           that they did.
                       But they had -- they were using that red
           dye and they were injecting into each of the cold legs
           and sometimes they flow, but they were getting some --
           they were getting plume merging.  And so, of course,
           that -- you know, what's the strength of the plume
           where they -- when they merge and how does that affect
           heat-transfer coefficient, da-da-da.  It goes on and
           on.
                       So in terms of simple analyses, they very
           quickly -- it became obvious that it was beyond what
           you can do on the back of an envelope --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  That plume seems to be
           going a lot more than 4 ds.  You were talking about
           mixing by 5 ds.  Or the beltline is at 5 ds from the
           pipe, or something?
                       MR. REYES:  Right.  For Palisades it's
           somewhere up there --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  And this one seems to be
           going down a lot more than that --
                       MR. REYES:  This -- this -- yeah, this
           looks like it's going down for -- now the flow rates
           for the -- for what they were doing were very, very
           high in these tests.  So that's a big part of it.
                       And I think we have a picture later on
           that we'll show you that kind of goes back to this
           test.  And, of course, we saw similar behavior as far
           as merging, but we didn't see the plumes, you know,
           getting --
                       MR. BESSETTE:  You have to remember also
           this is an artist's rendition.
                       MR. REYES:  So da Vinci --
                       MR. BESSETTE:  Done by -- Actually it was
           done by Tuemisto himself.
                       MR. REYES:  Tuemisto, okay.
                       MR. BESSETTE:  Yeah.
                       MR. REYES:  Tuemisto da Vinci.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  They didn't have
           photography in those days.
                       MR. REYES:  We have some --
                       MR. BESSETTE:  Not -- well, I don't know. 
           Like I say, he'd interpreted what he saw, and he did
           it by drawing.
                       MR. REYES:  So when we started looking at
           the plumes we were having difficulty interpreting what
           was going on in the downcomer.  So Kent Abel, one of
           our graduate students, came up with this idea of
           putting together this, an unwrapped map.
                       And so each -- this shows all four of the
           cold legs.  On top of it, it gives you the flow rate
           through the cold leg, and then the HPSI flow rate for
           each of the cold legs.  So those are listed up on top. 
           And then along side here he's got a color code for the
           different temperatures.
                       And then here in the cold leg you can see
           if the cold leg is stratified or not, so again by
           temperature.  So we can observe stratification.  When
           this light is green, it means that the HPSI is flowing
           for that particular transit.
                       You can pull up any one of the tests that
           we've performed into this format, and it'll just play
           the downcomer for you, which I love it.  I can -- I
           sit there and watch the lights.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Do you have music?
                       MR. REYES:  HPSI, HPSI.  You get
           hypnotized kind of by it.
                       But this is just an example.  If we have
           time I think we can run one of these or two to show
           you a couple of different scenarios and what we see.
                       It's useful because we break it up into a
           gradient, a delta T that your eye can actually catch
           instead of a continuous type of a thing.
                       And what we see in this particular
           snapshot, we see this plume, we see cold temperature
           over here and cold temperature over here, so we're in
           the dark, this dark blue region over here.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  It's not very obvious.
                       MR. REYES:  It's not real obvious, but it
           does interact --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Can't you get more
           contrast?
                       MR. REYES:  Right.  In some of the other
           -- I think in some of the others we'll see more
           contrast.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Yeah.
                       MR. REYES:  But the thing is that the
           temperature difference is not -- you're within --
           they're typically within 10 degrees or so, 10 or 15
           degrees.  And so we could do some more contrast.
                       So what we see is a kind of interaction
           here, and then we do see colder here and some cold
           down here.  So we kind of see a merging plume over
           here.  But then again the ambient is relatively cold
           also.
                       So in terms of a delta rho, we're not
           looking at a very large delta rho.  However, we are
           seeing this merging and then getting down blow here. 
           So you can imagine that if we had a couple thousand
           more thermocouples, that would have been ideal.
                       So that's one example.
                       Now you can see it a little bit better as
           we run -- is that the next -- yeah.  We'll run this
           for you, and then you can see a little bit better the
           temperature changes.  And this was for the -- this was
           for the main steam line break case, so you'll see
           eventually everything will turn blue because the --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Yeah.  I think if it's
           dynamic it will be easier to see.
                       MR. REYES:  Right.  And I think that's
           what we'll do.
                       Okay.  So it's running right now.  We're
           getting -- the time on the upper left-hand corner is
           the time to start the test.  And so it's jumping. 
           We're jumping about -- every step is about eight
           seconds or so.
                       And this is the main steam line break.  So
           we've opened up the break, and so you see all the
           temperatures are uniform.  Now the break's open. 
           We're starting to see cooling, but that's not cooling
           to the HPSI.
                       Now the green -- the HPSI's on now at this
           point, and so you'll start seeing colder temperatures
           underneath the cold legs.  So there you go.  So you
           see some of the yellow and the green, so it's getting
           colder underneath there.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Can you -- uh-huh, okay.
                       MR. REYES:  And we can step through it if
           you want to go slower.  So you see --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  So this is typically the
           whole downcomer, so the beltline is sort of where in
           this, in the middle --
                       MR. REYES:  The beltline is between the 4
           d and the 8 d.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Somewhere in the middle
           of the page.
                       MR. REYES:  Yeah.  And we -- and that's
           actually where our beltline is.  We have a big flange
           sitting there so we couldn't get thermocouples in it.
                       And so you can see at this point the cold
           leg number 3 there is still so much stratified.  Cold
           leg number 4 is completely cold, but then that was
           where the broken steam generator was.  So you're
           seeing some cold flows there.
                       So now that the whole downcomer is
           overwhelmed basically by the transient itself, the
           steam line break.  Looking --
                       MR. BOEHNERT:  So that was every eight
           seconds, was it?
                       MR. REYES:  Correct.  Correct.  Yeah, I
           think we're -- were we jumping eight seconds there,
           Ken?  Yeah.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  If you go back to about
           one or two seconds after it began to turn yellow, --
                       MR. REYES:  Okay.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  -- you've got some --
           some spludges pretty low down of the -- a really
           different color from the surroundings.  I got the
           impression that there was some plume activity down to
           maybe 10 d or something.  Not insignificant.
                       MR. REYES:  Right.  Well, -- yeah.  In
           fact, we'll talk about what happens when you have that
           cold-leg flow and you're trying to preserve the plume. 
           We see it -- the behavior is somewhat different.  I
           won't steal -- I won't steal their thunder.
                       But, yeah, we do see a different behavior
           for cases where your cold legs are flowing and -- for
           this plant.
                 (Discussion held away from the microphone and
           simultaneous talking.)
                       MR. HAN:  One of the things to keep in
           mind --
                       MR. REYES:  It was one of our
           thermocouples --
                       MR. HAN:  -- in terms of the vessel is
           that transient --
                 (Discussion held away from the microphone.)
                       MR. HAN:  -- behavior is not important
           because of the time constant of the vessel wall --
                       MR. REYES:  This is James Han.
                       MR. HAN:  -- things that happened over the
           time of, say, one minute, for example, don't matter
           because you don't build up a stress.  So you can have
           these plumes.  Let's say, if they're moving and
           whatever, that the transient behavior doesn't matter. 
           It's the longer-term behavior that's important, things
           that happen over the course of 15 minutes to 45
           minutes.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  It's a question of the
           balance between the surface h and what you think of
           sort of internal heat transfer distance of the wall.
                       MR. BESSETTE:  And it's conduction -- it's
           conduction --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  It's certainly not an
           infinite h on the surface.
                       MR. BESSETTE:  No, but if it does -- the
           h doesn't matter.  It's because it's so conduction
           controlled.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Yeah.  So it's like an
           infinite h?
                       MR. BESSETTE:  It's like an infinite h. 
           If you had an infinite h or not an infinite h, it
           doesn't really matter too much.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  So you're immediately
           chilling the surface to the temperature of the water?
                       MR. BESSETTE:  Essentially your boundary
           layer doesn't matter that much.  It's the ambient --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  But you had to know h
           because if you assumed h is infinite it's not very
           nice.
                       MR. BESSETTE:  Well, --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  You have to know h.
                       MR. BESSETTE:  -- if H is infinite -- if
           h is infinite, it means you have no boundary layer. 
           It means your ambient temperature is the temperature
           of the surface of the wall.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  I don't think you want
           that.
                       MR. BESSETTE:  It doesn't matter that
           much.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  It stresses the wall. 
           That temperature difference is what stresses the wall,
           the difference from surface from the average, is it?
                       MR. REYES:  There is a thermal penetration
           of time that --
                       MR. BESSETTE:  The difference between the
           ambient fluid temperature and the wall surface
           temperature is never large, no matter what h is.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Then you might as well
           assume h is infinite for your -- and forget about
           everything else as long as you know what the
           temperature is.
                       MR. BESSETTE:  That's right.  You can do
           that.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  I don't think that's
           very good for -- well, maybe we -- that's a different
           discussion somewhere else.
                       I thought it was pretty critical what h
           was.
                       MR. BESSETTE:  No.  In fact, we've done
           those sensitivity studies already --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Okay.  So we'll go back
           to that some time.
                       MR. BESSETTE:  -- to show that h is not
           important.
                       MR. SHACK:  I mean that's good news.
                       MR. BESSETTE:  Yeah.
                       MR. HAN:  That's good news, yeah.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  So we just forget about
           thermal hydraulics.
                       MR. SHACK:  No, no.  You had to set the
           temperature.
                       MR. KRESS:  No, you need the temperature.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Okay.
                       MR. BESSETTE:  We've been trying to tell
           you that.
                 (Laughter.)
                       MR. SHACK:  But it's still your
           penetration depth that you're interested in, isn't --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  See, there's a white --
           there's a light-colored one way down there, right? 
           Presumably that -- what's happening there?  It looks
           very strange to me.  You've got colder stuff down
           there than you've got --
                       MR. KRESS:  At the middle it curled over.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Yeah.  But it's just
           going to warm again at the top, isn't it?  Or, no,
           maybe I've -- yeah, it's going to warm again at the
           top.  There's a plug, sort of a lump of cold fluid in
           there not even connected to the pipe.
                       MR. REYES:  Yeah.  And sometimes what you
           see is -- well, our thermocouples -- that's a good --
           that's a good point.
                       Our thermocouples are closer to the vessel
           wall because that's where we wanted to measure, what
           was impacting the wall.
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  Oh, so if it jumps away
           to the inside, --
                       MR. REYES:  If it jumps --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  -- you won't see it?
                       MR. REYES:  Yeah.  So quite often --
           that's right.  So quite often what we see is when
           we're injecting -- it'll jump that first thermocouple. 
           And that one will read hot.  And all the thermocouples
           below will read cold.  And so it's impacting the
           barrel wall, mixing up, and then it's --
                       CHAIRMAN WALLIS:  But here we have -- do
           those yellow things -- are they those things -- they
           look -- that doesn't look like a plume.  It just looks
           like a -- sort of a odd-shaped lump of fluid.
                       MR. REYES:  It's not like the -- well,
           again we don't have -- we don't have a lot of
           thermocouples to get a good fine detail of this thing.
                       But you're right, the shapes are not going
           to be nicely-spreading plumes.  There are going to be
           some meandering --
                       MR. SHACK:  Will we see this in the CFD
           calculation, something like this?
                       MR. REYES:  Well, yeah, I think you'll see
           that the CFD calculation does more of the meandering
           and the curling-type behavior, so...
                       Okay.  I'll let them get us back to the
           presentation.
                       Okay.  So one of the things that we've
           observed is that at least as far as -- in terms of an
           asymptotic solution or trying to imagine a little bit
           of what's going on, there was a paper recently by
           Wood.  It was called, "Asymptotic Solutions and the
           Behavior of Outfall Plumes."
                       And it was very nice -- nicely done
           because you don't -- it was the only one I found that
           was fairly recent that talked about the spreading of
           the plume under some unusual conditions, either
           crossflow or co-flow.
                       So what is done basically is the b
           represents the half width of the plume.  Okay, and z
           is the axial position of the plume as it comes down.
                       And so this basically describes the
           spreading of the plume.  So for a stagnant case, u
           subinfinite here, that's a stream velocity.  Up is the
           plume centerline velocity.  And ks is the spread
           constant.
                       And so for a stagnant media where you're
           injecting these plumes, k is a constant.  I mean this
           goes to zero.  The ups cancel in case.  So he was able
           to kind of unify that behavior.
                       Whenever you have a flow, this is the
           angle between the trajectory of the plume versus your
           flow.  So if it's co-flow, that would be -- the
           cosine's zero is one.  So you'd have up over up plus
           u infinite.
                       So what this is telling us then is it's a
           factor that makes this constant smaller and as a
           result you get a plume width which is smaller, tighter
           as you go down in your axial position.
                       So this confirmed an idea that, well, for
           co-flow you would expect to see tighter plumes.  They
           might be preserved a little bit longer than you'd
           expect to see in a stagnant media.
                       So this suggests that for certain -- so
           now a scenario comes to mind.  You have stagnant
           conditions in your -- in your downcomer.  You inject
           the plume.
                       You'll get very good mixing because the
           relative velocity between the plume and the ambient is
           go